Host 1: Hello, and you're listening to K.G and U.

Host 1: Boulder, and how are you guys tonight?

Host 1: Bye.

Host 2: Good.

Host 1: And, uh... ...very shortly we're going to be talking to Mark Hosler of Negativland.

SPEAKER_04: Three, two, one.

None: Digga, do.

None: I'm so very diga, digger, do by nature.

None: Digga, digger, digger, to your nature.

None: You're going to lose my soul.

None: That's so funny.

None: Deep a smile.

None: How can that be a virginile with diga, digger do, digger do, do.

Host 1: Hello, Mr. Hosler.

Mark: Yeah?

LPC: Uh.

Voice: Glad you could all come over.

Host 1: Let's go ahead and take our first caller.

Mark: What?

Host 1: Hang on there, Mark.

Mark: What?

Host 2: Hang on.

Host 1: We're sorry.

Host 1: People are just.

Host 1: Just playing with the buttons out of control.

Host 1: Oh, I like Sparse?

SPEAKER_05: Oh, my God, stuff about all right?

Mark: How does that come through anyway?

SPEAKER_05: I don't have to come through.

SPEAKER_05: I don't know.

Host 1: I think we have a caller on the line, if you'd like to take a question for a second here.

Mark: Uh... well, okay...

Mark: The problem is, Gibby, is that there's so much background to do.

Host 2: Hello?

Host 2: Hello, do you have a question tonight for Mark?

Man (1): Hi, Mark.

Man (1): Hi, Mark. Hi, there.

Man (1): I've been listening to your band for a long time, and I've liked all the stuff

Man (1): you've done all the way back to car crash.

SPEAKER_05: A bell is to read.

Man (1): Did you catch that?

Man (1): Car bomb.

SPEAKER_05: He got a car bomb.

Mark: ...so you must not be listening to us that closely.

Man (1): Well, it's been a while.

SPEAKER_05: Go ahead.

Man (1): Well... the question was, have you guys considered, um... re-releasing on CD all the work that you've done up to date?

SPEAKER_05: I have.

Mark: I have.

Mark: What do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_05: The old LP...

Mark: Well, they are available on CD.

Man (1): Everything is?

Mark: Sure is.

Man (1): Okay, that's good to know.

Mark: It's a testament to our own lack of aggressiveness.

Mark: of promoting our own work that you don't know about it.

LPC: And, caller, you brought up a very good point, I'd like to add.

Man (1): Of what?

LPC: Uh, the conversion of, uh, handmade, uh... early recordings, now available on the popular CD...

Mark: Well, they're available on CD. And, uh--

Man (1): Okay, well, can I order...

Man (1): Should I order those through you?

Host 1: Is that Universal Media NetWeb?

Host 1: Is that the...

SPEAKER_05: Let me finish here.

Man (1): What did Eno tell you?

Mark: Well, you should get the...

Man (1): Okay.

Mark: You're supposed to have a magazine when we do this interview.

Mark: You know what the hell you're talking about.

Host 2: That's not part of the public domain, then, huh?

Mark: Well, actually, I believe that it is.

Mark: It's the thing you have to stand is that SST's press release is not motivated by, um...

SPEAKER_05: Woo!

Host 2: We want it to be a celebration, because we think that everything you're doing's really great.

Host 2: You're an American treasure.

Mark: Well, thank you.

LPC: What, uh... let's take our second caller... at this time. Hello, you're on the air, caller.

Man (2): Hi, Mark. I'm calling back again.

Man (2): Um, at the risk of you being, I'm angry at me for not having read your magazine.

Mark: Goddamnit!

Man (2): Um, do you ever hear...

Man (2): Oh, no?

Man (2): Directly?

Mark: Uh, no, though he's actually floated... Rolling Stone article about our... about... a little bit about our record.

Mark: So...

Man (2): Okay, I couldn't understand why he would be upset about anything like that.

Mark: They're totally removed. What?

Man (2): Well, that's why I would think that he wouldn't even, like you say, if he's supposed to say, well, why, why

SPEAKER_05: I wish she'd get upset or something.

SPEAKER_05: What did Eno tell you?

LPC: [delayed] Brian Eno, he's referring to.

Mark: Uh, Brian Eno is, uh, U2's producer, which... I'm a... a Brian Eno fan...

Man (2): He too.

Mark: And, uh, I actually have always thought it was very interesting that he ended up being their producer.

Man (3): Did you hear about the lawsuit against Jeff Koons in New York?

Mark: Oh, yeah, we've been following that.

Man (3): Okay.

Man (3): The final decision is not out, and this will be a continuing...

Man (3): We'll hear about this in the future on an ongoing basis.

Mark: Yeah, and that's one really.

Mark: The reason why we felt that we should put out our magazine

Mark: was that we really wanted to sort of throw our two cents into the debate here,

Mark: and especially we realized that, at least in the world of music,

Mark: the people who were actually creatively using the technology

Mark: and the world of media around them are never represented.

Man (3): What about... uh, Mark, what about "Guns", for New American Radio? What... what... what...

Mark: Right.

Mark: Because...

Man (3): We're parodying all the Westerns, right?

Mark: I would say we were parodying anything there.

Mark: No, I think we were just referencing...

Mark: ...we were referencing, you know, just how... how much... uh... weapons like that are in our culture.

LPC: How are you doing?

Voice: There's one thing I hate.

Voice: Oh, the noise, noise, noise, noise.

LPC: I'm back here with Mark Costler.

LPC: The color we just had, Mark wanted to know if you were in touch with the Dweasel Zappa.

LPC: ...Dweezil Zappa. Or Frank Zappa, rather, as he's, uh... ...spearheaded some of that... you know...

Host 2: Don't have enough data.

Host 2: Mark, you there?

SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm just going to...

Host 2: You're just, uh... returnin' it in spades, are ya?

Mark: A little blues never.

Host 2: He's going to return it in spades.

Mark: Yeah?

Host 1: We just had a caller who was wondering if you had contacted Frank Zappa,

Host 1: who has a lot to do with...

Host 1: censorship and things like that.

Mark: No, we haven't.

Mark: Okay, now I'm going to do my impersonation of George Zampere on the panpipes.

Mark: Don't you feel better already?

Mark: Don't you feel ready to all go out and see that movie Aspen?

LPC: Call, are you there?

Mark: You know, that's what people are going to think of Colorado.

Mark: They'll look at that movie.

LPC: Isn't that the worst?

LPC: Hello, Colorado.

LPC: What do you have to say for yourself as a Colorado resident?

LPC: Come on, caller.

Host 2: Here's caller.

Host 2: Hey, that's Jack Horkheimer.

Host 2: Is this legal?

Mark: You tell them to put the tape recorder closer to the phone so that it'll come through.

LPC: I was wondering about, uh...

Host 2: Somebody doing that with half their brains.

LPC: The little dippers...

LPC: placement tonight. Maybe that color will call back.

Mark: Well, don't cut them off if they're, you know...

LPC: Oh, they did. Oh, they did. I'm sorry.

Host 2: Hey Mark, I got kind of a technical question, you... well... uh...

Mark: I don't know about anything technical.

Host 2: Are you up for it?

Mark: Well, I don't know.

Mark: Why do you want to ask me?

Host 2: How come there's no E in your name?

Host 1: There's one...

SPEAKER_04: Glad you can all come over.

SPEAKER_04: Oh, boy.

SPEAKER_04: Glad you can...

SPEAKER_04: Magic, magic, magic, magic, magic it all come over.

SPEAKER_04: Now, are you ready to...

SPEAKER_04: Ready to...

SPEAKER_05: Oh, the joys of a CD player that you can just...

Host 2: Oh, sorry, I feel--

Mark: There's someone you're really not...

Mark: Copyright infringement.

Mark: Not for Walt Disney.

Host 2: Who did he rip?

Host 2: Who did he borrow from?

SPEAKER_07: Who did he borrow from?

Mark: Who, Walt Disney?

Mark: Well, I don't know. I guess he was sort of did a lot of terrible things to...

Mark: I don't know.

Mark: Stravinsky and Shaw, COVID.

Host 2: Oh, in the soundtrack.

Host 1: Ah.

LPC: And, uh, caller, you want to add?

SPEAKER_04: Okay, what's your number? I'll call you back.

Mark: Oh, alright, what do you want?

LPC: Trying to hang sausage, are you?

LPC: Okay, now see, what's your take on that?

Mark: Hey, come on, you see, you're just ignoring those calls?

Mark: Those are actually good calls. You know, I can hear that those are good calls.

LPC: They just keep hanging up, really.

LPC: Oh, I don't understand.

Host 2: There's a lot of father.

SPEAKER_05: Yes.

Host 2: Let's talk about your new label. Can we be on your new label?

Mark: I don't know. Send us some tapes.

Mark: We don't really want to put out anyone else in our new label except ourselves.

LPC: Uh, caller?

Mark: Right. We're small-minded and selfish.

Host 2: You can have the money.

LPC: How's it goin'?

Man (4): Hi, I'm here.

Man (4): I'm a fanzine artist, and frankly, I'm scared by all this.

LPC: You're not alone, caller.

Man (4): A lot of fanzine artists clip out little samples of, you know, in... in the sound...

Mark: Don't be scared.

SPEAKER_04: You know, and...

SPEAKER_04: Look what happened to you?

Mark: So what? We're not scared.

Man (4): I want to... yeah, I want to congratulate you for fighting the good fight for, you know... you're doing the...

Host 2: Trailblazers.

Man (4): Yeah.

Man (4): I mean, it sounds corny, but true.

Man (4): And also for exposing, you know, these quote-unquote underground labels, you know,

Man (4): that many of these underground labels just call themselves,

Man (4): such as SST network, you know, tons of underground labels are making millions of dollars.

Mark: Yes, the story is the same.

Mark: It's just a different, has a different face to it.

Host 2: Yeah.

Man (4): You know, the whole fanzine world, you know, basically cuts up lots of things and puts them in their eyes,

Man (4): and it's not like a whole clipping out of a whole magazine.

Man (4): You know, like Hinko's copy center got sued a while back for that same kind of copyrights.

LPC: They traced it back to there, huh?

SPEAKER_05: Yeah.

Mark: I think that must have been done to make an example of them or to scare the shit out of them.

Mark: I just said shit. I didn't say, I just said shit.

Host 2: That's alright.

LPC: Hey, Mark.

Host 2: a fragment of shit.

LPC: What do you think of caller ID?

SPEAKER_07: Day.

Mark: I think all that stuff's very frightening.

LPC: I don't like that.

Mark: Unfortunately, this is what I'd have to say, is that I'd say, keep on clipping out your art and doing what you do.

Mark: I mean, there's a lot of people who are, how many rap records are out, or rather hip-hop, they're not all getting clearance fees, and they're not all playing the game.

Mark: They somehow act like they are.

Mark: They're not, they're just keeping quiet about it.

Man (4): Yeah. Is your magazine... completely unavailable now? Or...

Mark: It is now completely unavailable, that is correct.

LPC: And, you know, that last caller, it looks like he was looking for a little encouragement tonight from you.

LPC: And do you think you can offer it genuinely this evening, or?

Mark: I just think that the smaller you are, I think that, I think if you're just doing a Xerox fanzine,

Mark: I mean, this wouldn't worry about it.

Mark: And even when you're doing bigger stuff, I wouldn't worry about it.

Mark: and I would worry about it only if and when something actually happened.

Vanna White: I'd always wear a fingernailipot

Vanna White: and that's my outfit.

Vanna White: I wore a yellow outfit.

Vanna White: I'd wear a yellow fingernailipollary.

Vanna White: And that was a ritual I did day after day.

SPEAKER_00: Changing my collar is the green, glue.

Mark: Oh, I'm wearing, there's a long underwear right.

Host 2: Van of White's going to sue us right now, I think.

LPC: I'm going to see you.

LPC: That's what I'm going to do.

LPC: And, uh, Mark Costler, always a pleasure.

LPC: Caller, are you there?

Host 2: Hello.

Man (5): Hey, this is No-One, Number Two.

Host 2: Hey, Noel.

Host 2: What you got for us?

SPEAKER_07: You're wrong. I'm speaking.

SPEAKER_02: Here we go.

Man (5): Wait a second. I got it right over here.

SPEAKER_07: Yeah, go ahead.

Man (5): I got it. Ready?

Man (5): Ready?

Host 2: Yeah, do it.

Host 2: What is that?

LPC: Okay, we've obviously got some aquatic listeners this evening.

Man (5): Up every goddamn fucking.

LPC: What?

LPC: Oh, right.

Host 2: Can you say that?

LPC: Now, we're going to move on to, uh... a compilation that D.U. Records, uh... released.

Man (6): What kind of a rip-off is this?

Man (6): A bowel from a dog?

Man (6): My gosh.

Woman: You must be nuts.

Woman: We don't even have a dog.

Man (6): A butt bowel?

Man (6): Poop bowel.

LPC: Okay, that's been Longmont Potion Castle.

LPC: do you record

LPC: I would very much like to thank

LPC: KG&U, public radio.

Host 1: We'd like to thank

Host 1: you, too, for coming by.

Host 1: And our callers.

Host 1: Thank you all.

LPC: Thank you all very much.

LPC: In fact,

LPC: would you like to take one more caller?

LPC: Go ahead, caller.

Woman (2): Hey, more of that

Woman (2): phone call stuff, so I don't have to stay on the phone

Woman (2): and make up seeing calls all night.

LPC: Okay, I'm afraid that's all

LPC: there is for tonight.

LPC: But we do appreciate your phone.

Woman (2): Oh, please.

SPEAKER_01: Honey.

Host 2: Please.

Host 2: Why don't you do one for us?

Host 1: Maybe you guys could call her.

SPEAKER_01: Get her number in a can.

LPC: Okay.

LPC: And I do want to thank you for your call.

LPC: And thanks for your call.

Host 2: And thanks for putting up with our little offering this morning.

Host 2: It was really fun.

Host 1: Well, always glad to have creative folks along on the ride

Host 1: through the nighttime airwaves.